AndyCallaghan
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Grady
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Reply with quote | #2 |
Pitcher didn't pause, and stepped off, and pitched the ball lol. I don't think he was out at first on the double up, and I don't see Joyce point to the pitcher when calling the balk...what erlse do you see Mr. Callaghan |
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snowman
Registered: 09/29/06
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It was a bulk, Pitcher stepped off and pitched to plate. 3-2 count. This was not a walk(ball 4), this was a hit ball. As soon as the right fielder caught the ball, the bulk should have been enforced. Runner to 2nd, batter runner back at plate with 3-2 count.
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Grady
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oops ya...Joyce should have killed the play before the return throw into first. Adrian Johnson (PU) didn't call it and didn't realize what was going on by the looks of it. |
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snowman
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Also, Plate umpire is making call back into 1st...Should have been U2..
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Grady
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...in 4 man? You would think that with 4, they would keep U2 and U3 at their bsaes so they have an ump ahead of the runner. PU has lots of time to get bcak to the plate before R1 would come score if need be. |
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snowman
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Is it not that PU is responsible for following the batter runner to first here? In this situation, BR is out with concerns to PU at this moment. Or does he still have responsibility for R1 back into 1st?
He remains for any play at first until R1 rounds second..
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AndyCallaghan
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It's definately a balk. That's not what I picked up on.
If the video is an unedited feed, which I think it was from the continuity of the commentary, they awarded the batter 1st base.
Play started with Votto on 1B. Batter was #4 Brandon Phillips. Balk occurs, ball is hit to RF. Caught, etc. etc. etc.
2:22 in the video - Joyce flashes the infield fly signal.
2:25 in the video. They said "So how does Brandon Phillips get awarded the base?" To which the other commentator responds "Because of the 3-2 pitch".
Number 27 (Scott Rolen) is at bat!!
Video feed appears continuous to this point. Then cuts away to show the double play to end the inning. (Johnny Gomes hit into the double play)
I went to the box score on MLB.com, and they indicated that the 6th pitch of the at bat was an "automatic ball" for ball four and that Votto went to second.
It would appear that the umpires awarded Votto to 2nd and the batter to 1st on the balk.
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Ump29
Registered: 09/27/06
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Since when do you award B/R first on balk ?
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Shawn
Registered: 09/27/06
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Reply with quote | #10 |
I would have given R1 2nd base on the balk and put the batter back, but what do I know? 
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AndyCallaghan
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Shawn
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Reply with quote | #12 |
sweet, first one I got all right (according to the rats)
too bad seasons over
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Mosh
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Reply with quote | #13 |
That wasn't a balk! The pitcher stepped off and threw the ball to the catcher, obviously, because he wanted a new ball. (-: I don't think he intended that to be a pitch at all...
From the stretch, you can't throw a ball to an unoccupied base. I would have argued (unsuccessfully of course) that I was not pitching the ball, but trying to pick off the batter. (-:
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Grady
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Reply with quote | #14 |
You can not make it look like your natural motion that much. IF you want a new ball, you step off, and gesture you want a new ball. That would be a balk any day of week. |
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Graham
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Mosh
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Of course. (-:
Although while coming out to discuss it with the umpire as I feel a coach should - not to argue, just to make sure that the umpire saw what happened and not made the balk call based on something else - I would question whether there was interference on the batter's part for swinging at a non pitch. I know there wasn't any but I've found questioning things like that in a non confrontational way when you are someone who generally knows the rules and have been around the game long enough, sometimes gets in the head of inexperienced umpires and they may change their call in situations that are unusual like this. (-:
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